Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: A lot of people are against the faa, but then I also just. I seen a brief thread on Facebook of people not knowing what you can and cannot do because they seen me flying a deer or flying a tree.
They.
People just don't know what you can and can't do. I don't know, you know, if we can make this a back and forth, but the truth is you can't lift anything. We can lift a deer.
This is not my saying. We can lift a deer as long as been blended into liquid. We can just put it in the tank because then it's a fertilizer.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:00:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: Would you be able to, like, have it in a pail below the drone, or would it have to be inside the tank?
[00:00:46] Speaker C: External payload.
[00:00:47] Speaker A: Well, you can do the water bucket thing, though. You can do the water bucket, like, with the, you know, drop.
[00:00:52] Speaker D: A compost is ag, though. And it's just a big pellet.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:00:59] Speaker D: Oh, bound for your compost pile.
[00:01:01] Speaker A: Good point. So the deer can just be. Yeah, like just a big pellet that's going to the compost.
[00:01:07] Speaker D: It's just a big pellet.
[00:01:08] Speaker B: Okay, but. Right, I mean.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Okay, so guys, we're gonna poke fun at the fa. We're going to. Because they say that it can't be this thing. It has to be fertilizer or propagation or poisons like that get sprayed.
[00:01:22] Speaker C: That is funny because we just had a farmer at the show or at the. Yeah, the show the other, what, two weeks ago, he was saying something about how thermal drones are basically making. So there's no more deer out there in his hayfield that are not being found anymore.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: And he's like, it was kind of against it.
[00:01:36] Speaker C: I was like, what are you talking about? Like, you want to run into these things with your combine? He's like, well, if you look at. If you look at the grass next year, if there's a deer. Dead deer laying here. If you look at the grass next year, he said, it's. It's like insanely fertilized. It's just way better.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: He was somewhat joking, but he's right.
[00:01:52] Speaker D: He's running over Bambi and happy about it.
That's a little bit of a but
[00:01:59] Speaker A: that's a good point.
[00:02:00] Speaker D: Right?
[00:02:00] Speaker A: It says that it has to be fertilizer or something that propagates.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: Okay, but isn't there also, like, you have to be dispensing. You cannot be transporting. Like, if you had that.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: But Kevin, if that were the case, you'd have to be spraying as soon as you Take off. Yeah, you'd have to be spraying as you're going to the field.
[00:02:18] Speaker C: Maybe that's why an EA drone sprays when it takes off.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: It's more. It's more legally compliant because depending how you're going to read the law, maybe it's required. I don't think that you're allowed to just move. Maybe the catch is it's an external payload. But would you be able to. Yeah, no. You'd be able to fly that drone around without dispensing something.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: Yeah, we do it all the time.
[00:02:40] Speaker D: Yeah, well, because if you send it out and something goes wrong and you have to bring it back and you haven't actually dispensed anything, then definitely not
[00:02:49] Speaker C: dispensing all the time.
[00:02:49] Speaker D: Yeah, every time. Every time you.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: So we have to bring this back so the people understand that are like listening. Okay. So the FAA says you cannot pick up a deer, you cannot move a tree because it's not part of agricultural part 137 operations. And part 137 operations allows you to dispense economic poisons, fertilizers and propagation or something like that. That's what the 137 stands like. That is what it's good for. But then we're, you know, having this conversation here. Well, isn't a deer you be considered compost if you take it to compost pile and you drop them in there?
[00:03:29] Speaker B: Especially depending the state of the deer.
[00:03:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So. But the truth is, guys, the FAA doesn't give a rip. What we say is they make the rules and you're going to listen to them. They want you to move liquids only in a tank of a spray drone. They don't want you picking up and trying to come up with this idea that it's compost or it's. Or sprinkle a little bit of fertilizer while you're carrying something else. That's not what they want to do. But then we go to this next thing. A 135 operation is for charter operation. Air carrier.
Well, how is it air carrier if it's for yourself?
[00:04:07] Speaker C: I would say it's not.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah, because when I fly my private airplane flying myself, I'm not an air carrier. I'm a 91.
But yet we can't get a 91 to do external load stuff. Well, then external load falls under 133.
Well, 133 is for helicopters. And they say, you know, all the rules in there are about a. A rotor. Right. Whipping rotor. Well, we can't auto Rotate. Because it's a drone, you can't like, auto rotate with a helicopter. Means motor goes out in the helicopter, you freef fall, and as you get to the ground, you change the pitch of your prop and then the. The wind that's pushing up will swing the blade around, and that's how you slow down and that's how you auto rotate. Well, you can't fit into that category because you're a drone.
That's why it's such a broad thing.
[00:05:02] Speaker C: Problem is they just never wrote rules for the drones.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Yeah, but they want us to fit in those rules.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: And they would say they built a process to request exemptions from those rules, but that process doesn't work in our experience.
[00:05:17] Speaker C: Yeah, hasn't worked for us.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: It is not work.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: One thing that you didn't say in the videos specifically is how many submissions we've done for Heavy Lift over how many years do you know off the top of your mind?
[00:05:28] Speaker A: I. I would guess we've submitted at least five times over the last two years.
[00:05:34] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: We've used two different attorneys now, and we've tried it ourselves multiple times, writing the petitions based on the. The information that they were requesting from us.
We were told the last time we were told, and, and we can be completely open with you guys now is the last time we were told. Our attorney is. They believe that they haven't granted us exemption yet because of having issues with the FAA already for two years. That's what we're being told. So now I'm going to hold the FAA's feet to the fire and be like, okay, I've agreed to this public safety announcement. Issues, right? Yeah, we. We've squashed the issues now. If you don't give us an exemption in the next six month, you're being ridiculous. Because the truth is there are other grants that have been given for Heavy Lift. But is that experimental? I just think we have to dive deep because there's a lot of people online that they're questioning this. Well, can't you do anything? No, not really.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: One of the main themes in the thousands of comments now that I see coming through in on that YouTube video that is popping off like nobody's business, is how come that the FAA wants to provide education through a PSA that Mike Miller or Mike Yoder, through a public service announcement that you give, and at the same time, when your attitude is, I'm here to learn what you guys teach me. Is it being recorded? No. Turn it off. We're done.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: How are those things compatible?
And why on earth, like, if the mandate is really, let's create education.
And it feels like what, what the FAA is wanting is actually not education.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: No.
[00:07:20] Speaker C: I think the problem is the FAA themselves, like the people that we talk to, they don't know and they're not the ones that make the decisions.
Like they do not know what to do.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: So they're just like, you can't do this. With the rules that we have currently, you cannot do this and we don't
[00:07:34] Speaker C: know how to make. So you can.
That's kind of the way I take it. Yeah. It's like, well, wait on part 108.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: Yeah, well, if you'd always wait, then everybody would always be waiting. We have to keep innovating.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: Didn't Trump do some kind of executive order or something years ago?
[00:07:55] Speaker C: It's been over a year for sure.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: And what, what, what was the timeline he gave?
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Oh, the drone down?
[00:08:01] Speaker C: Oh, it was, I think they gave him a six month timeline for a, for a plan.
But then, I don't know.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: But Trump, that dude is so far off his rocker too. He also said that he's going to
[00:08:11] Speaker B: give all this money away, $5,000 each if they win.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Where is that now?
[00:08:15] Speaker B: Well, they haven't won the midterms, but
[00:08:17] Speaker C: if you win, it's an incentive.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: But there was another one prior to this that he had said that was.
[00:08:22] Speaker C: You would hear this in another country, you'd be like, what?
[00:08:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I can't win, so I'm going to bribe you.
[00:08:28] Speaker C: If that is not a bribe. Yeah, I mean, man. Yeah, I voted for the guy three times.
[00:08:34] Speaker D: Do you not think that that's just more shortsighted than anything?
It's effective, but it's short sighted in terms of like getting something like that, getting boats and stuff like that.
[00:08:45] Speaker C: I think they're gonna do whatever they can to keep power.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: So. Yeah, and, but at least whatever, whether
[00:08:49] Speaker C: it's a BS line or not.
[00:08:51] Speaker D: Are, are we as a society just so focused on the instant fix and the like help me now that we can't think 10 years down the road?
[00:09:01] Speaker B: Yeah, well, there's no incentive because you're in a four year term and you get it while you can. And where we go in 25 years, you don't have any long term.
[00:09:11] Speaker C: Yeah. The problem is if the Democrats do take over the House and the Senate, Trump's plans are pretty much done.
[00:09:18] Speaker D: So, yeah, some of them, yeah.
[00:09:20] Speaker C: Yeah. So he's trying to do whatever he can to make so that doesn't happen. Which I get but.
[00:09:24] Speaker D: Right.
[00:09:25] Speaker C: Not a smart plan. I think it costs like $2 trillion or something like that.
[00:09:29] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:09:29] Speaker C: To give every person $5,000.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it's dumb.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: It's a lot smarter than. Than some spend.
[00:09:35] Speaker A: I was trying to figure out where that.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: Dude, that is. That is way better. I mean, that's a fraction of what we send everywhere else in the world. At least we're sending it to.2 trillion
[00:09:44] Speaker C: is a lot of money.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: At least we're sending it to ourselves.
[00:09:48] Speaker D: Is that.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: Is that just make inflation go even higher?
[00:09:51] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's. That was my point.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: Nobody knows.
[00:09:55] Speaker C: We can play eight. Pay $8 for diesel.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: Yeah, nobody knows. But it seems like there is a precipice that we are approaching economically.
[00:10:02] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I don't know what that word means.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: Like it's a cliff.
And it's almost like we're actually over the cliff and we're trying to act like we're not.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: But I don't know enough about politics to get into that. I just know that the FAA doesn't like when you pick up deer and fly them around.
And anybody that is doing it is not going to tell me any other way that they're trying to do it. Under 91 or 137 without a separate exemption of some kind, you can't do it. Okay, so here, here's a scenario that we came up with because we were given counsel. This could work. You could put a little bottle of poisons on your spray drone and you're just like dribbling that out a little bit maybe while you pick something else up and you take it somewhere else because then you're halfway doing what. What you're supposed to do.
[00:10:55] Speaker C: But the FAA inspector told us like, no, that ain't gonna.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: Well, he. He told us don't do it here. I mean, fair to him. It's probably not written in the intent of the law, but is it written by the letter of the law? Probably, because I'm just looking right here like the part 137 is three things. You have spraying economic poisons, you have dispensing anything meant for plant nourishment, or you have other dispensing that directly affects agriculture, horiculture or forest preservation. So technically, if you're not doing those three things and you're just transporting chemical to a field where it will be dispensed, how is that legal? I don't know if you know by the.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, I get it.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: If you can do those things While carrying a load underneath you.
[00:11:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So the next thing we're actually going to do is I'm going to have a, I'm trying to get a meeting. I got a hold of one of our legislators while he used to be Hilliard.
[00:11:45] Speaker C: Oh, okay.
[00:11:46] Speaker A: And I'm trying to get a, a meeting with Marino, which is like our state rep, but he's in the, he's
[00:11:54] Speaker C: in the Senate, isn't he?
[00:11:55] Speaker A: Senate, yeah. Actually those are the people that will push forward and say, no, we're doing this, we're doing this in the state of Ohio.
[00:12:04] Speaker C: I don't care.
[00:12:06] Speaker A: So I don't know.
I wish I could give the people that have these questions, you know, online. I wish I could answer them all for them because I think that would be the easiest thing to do is go through some of those comments and just respond to them. Because we were fighting to try to get somewhere with the FAA and we tried the. It's agricultural, it can be used for compost it, all these things. And it didn't matter what we said, they had made up their mind that that's just what they were going for.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: One thing you mentioned a little bit in the video is know this professional surfer that thought it would be so much safer and possibly even life saving on these big waves, world class waves.
[00:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: To be able to pull somebody to safety when there doesn't need to be a Jet Ski in the water.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah. So let me explain that to you. If, if you're not a big wave surfer, you don't understand it. Because I didn't understand it until he like really drill it into my head. I was like, how does this make any sense? Like a drone and a Jet Ski, like the Jet Ski can float in water. Just stay right there and pick the guy up and then take him. He's like, it doesn't work that way. These waves can be from 50ft to 100ft tall. You can't just sit right there with a Jet Ski and wait till the guy comes back to the surface and then take a man. Because when that 100 foot wave comes over you, you're crushed as well. So I was like, whoa. So what happens, he said, is if, if this big wave server goes down, Jet Ski comes rolling in and Jet Ski guy is looking out into the horizon, seeing another swell coming. If he sees that swell coming and it's going to take him over, prior to getting to the guy, he has to retreat, go back to where he came from, then let that wave go past, then go back out and Try to get the guy. So there's precious seconds gone and I was like, holy smoke. I like got goosebumps. I'm like, gosh, you want the pressure on me to get that guy out because my drone can come in. Okay, big swell coming, raise up, go up, let the swell go down, come down, get him, pick, you know, pick him up a little bit or completely hoist him in and take them to the shore. I can totally see where it makes sense. And why not do that to save people?
[00:14:27] Speaker B: Dude, a couple things and we were going to.
[00:14:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I think you sent me a video maybe of, of a wave and a jet ski and it just was like, holy smokes. Yeah, I had no idea that people do that. And it's a drone. Would be the absolute best thing you could have in that 100.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: You have these drones already being exposed to water, chemical all day. Like this is what they're built for. They're over. Like if you think of the danger that it adds to the life of the surfer who's getting pummeled by these 50 foot waves, it's like there's no added danger at all.
[00:15:00] Speaker A: No.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: And you know, less danger to the rescuer.
[00:15:03] Speaker C: Oh yeah.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: You know, you don't have two guys
[00:15:05] Speaker C: out in the water. You only have the guy that you're saving.
[00:15:08] Speaker B: So the path to this being normal, life saving procedure will not work. Try again in two years or maybe part 108. Maybe. I don't know.
[00:15:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: But again, I just thought it was interesting because you just mentioned that in passing. But that's a real thing that we've been, you know, exploring and wanting to do and there's just no opportunity, nothing. Can't do it.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: Yep. No, it's, it's a shame, but I am going to put the FAA on a timer in six months. They're going to give us an exemption. If they don't, I'm going to figure out how we can go after them because they have given other summary grants.
They have given it to other people. So that means they have to give it to us because they've already given it to somebody else. And if they don't give it to us because of some odd reason that they're holding against us, that there has to be something wrong with that.
[00:16:03] Speaker B: Well, and, and they, and some of the context is that is when, when somebody, an FAA officer sits in your conference room and says, oh yeah, I remember we parked that 12 months ago, six months ago. Whatever.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: They literally said that.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: They literally said that on video. Oh yeah, we parked That I think that was.
Yeah, like that is. You are powerless to do this thing without them. And then what? You know, what you hear from your attorney, you know, he knows how. But it is not abnormal that when there is an ongoing investigation or something, you know, that other petitions and stuff, we just don't really work them until that's resolved. And now that it's resolved, you know, those things can be. Can happen again. But you just have no power. Like. Yeah, like no federal aid.
[00:16:48] Speaker C: Nope.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: You know, no power.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: What's crazy about this whole thing is if you remember back to when we first got the. The letters, everything was about careless and reckless op. Careless and reckless up. That's what they were going after us for. Careless and reckless up. But yet the FAA agreed that it was not careless and reckless up. And they settled for a drone being flown without a registration, which still doesn't make sense because the drones did registration, but they were registered as agricultural aircraft.
So did they.
[00:17:22] Speaker B: Did they agree that it was not reckless and you know, ops or whatever, or did they just say we're not going to accuse you of like. They never said, according to the paperwork we just threw that.
[00:17:32] Speaker C: They.
[00:17:32] Speaker A: They. It's. It's. It's completely gone.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's gone. But they're not saying it's not careless.
[00:17:37] Speaker C: They're. Well, they're definitely not saying it is.
[00:17:39] Speaker B: They're not saying it is.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah, well, yeah, if they say it is, then there be other consequences. But it's not Carols and reckless. It's just. Holy crap. We don't know what to do with this dude. Flying drones down.
[00:17:50] Speaker C: Somehow we're going to make them hurt somehow.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got to hurt him somehow.
But you would have thought though, if they wanted to take Jay's money, you know, what was it, 30, 300 bucks or whatever? I offered double. I would have given him 9,000 bucks.
[00:18:04] Speaker C: Yeah, the original one was seven. Seven grand, I think for you. Yeah, actually, I have the paperwork in my truck.
I just got a letter, what, two days ago? And then actually yesterday the mail lady came up to the house and was going to drop something off, but Kayla didn't go to the door quick enough, I guess. And then she left a note there.
I don't know. I've got to pick something up.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: This post office, it's just the final paperwork, so every. Everything you and I already signed that came through email. They also have to send out in certified letter. That's what I figured it was. Yeah. I have to send my card off I should do it today or tomorrow.
I got to send it to Heather Spangler, like in.
In Texas. Like she's going to physically hold my Part 107 card there. So I wonder if she's going to give it to me. Does it arrive back to me on day 180?
[00:18:52] Speaker C: That's why when it gets sent in the US mail.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: Okay, so then I'm gonna charge. So could we charge her like one day of compensation that we don't have?
[00:19:02] Speaker B: It could charge the federal U.S. postal Service.
[00:19:05] Speaker A: Dude, I've never seen somebody have to cut a check like you to the Treasury.
[00:19:12] Speaker C: U.S. treasury Department or Department of Treasury.
[00:19:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Isn't that like the biggest bank? I feel like that's where they print the money. J. Help them print the money.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: I think we send taxes.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Oh, is it okay? I thought it was like something y. Where they actually printed off.
[00:19:26] Speaker C: Yeah, that's crazy. You see your name.
Yeah, whatever.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: So I don't know if this is interesting to you or not, but I went through all of the, what, 1400. Oh, 1900 comments.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:19:38] Speaker B: And I said, let's just. It'd be interesting to see what's the perception on this video. That's creating a lot of discussion. And I categorize them into four categories. You want to hear what they are?
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:47] Speaker D: Wait, Kevin, did you.
[00:19:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:19:49] Speaker D: Did you have assistance?
[00:19:51] Speaker B: These are details, Landon.
[00:19:54] Speaker D: Okay, proceed.
[00:19:56] Speaker B: So backing Mike or against the FAA, like kind of government overreach vibes? 65%.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: 65 say it's overreach.
[00:20:04] Speaker B: 65% are either saying like, thanks for pushing it forward. The FAA is dumb. Government overreach. The government's here to help. Haha. You know, stuff like that. 19% are. Are saying, like just legal and regulatory discussion. Like, you guys, come on. You should have always had an attorney present. Why did you even try to talk to them without an attorney? Like that kind of stuff.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: Just like legal conversation.
10 is off topic or spam.
And then 7% is critical of Mike or defending the FAA. Okay, so I thought that those were
[00:20:34] Speaker A: the two guys that showed up at the office that were inspecting us. Those are the 7%.
[00:20:40] Speaker C: 7%.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Well, there's 100, a couple other buddies, 128 of them.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Okay.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: So, you know, there is a train of thought. Thinking. Yeah, you don't. You don't have permission to do that. Don't do it. Why are you doing that?
[00:20:49] Speaker A: Whatever.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: You are an idiot to do something that you don't have permission to do. Like that is how some people Think
[00:20:54] Speaker C: that's a small minority.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: And we lit. Yeah, that's 7%. And we live in a world where. Somebody just stopped in at our Ohio headquarters this morning. That's why I was late to film this. He said, I bought a 4T and I do drone recovery in Virginia.
[00:21:09] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: And you say it like it's a normal thing. We had the same thing happening. Just go back four years and the same thing was happening where you are doing what a thermal drone to find deer. That's illegal. Imagine of how you can abuse that. Don't do it. Stop it. This is so, you know, like that was the conversation. And it's changed four years. Totally different landscape. The way you do it is you responsibly push and enforce change. And if you're big enough, you can take risks and push the envelope.
And that's what we do. So to those 7% of people, it's like, dude, do you want a world where you can actually do life saving stuff with drones that you can transport trees off of mountaintops that you can.
[00:21:51] Speaker C: They probably don't.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: Probably don't. Well, dude, and, and it was in one of these categories. But the number of people that are pissed at Amazon drones flying over my house, and yet you can't do a tree off a mountaintop. What's that like?
[00:22:04] Speaker A: It's like, come on, you're, you're pissed because they're flying over your house. What about all the Amazon trucks driving past your house on the road?
[00:22:12] Speaker C: Or all the other airplanes and helicopter flying?
[00:22:14] Speaker B: Imagine when, when the first highways were built and you. Oh yeah, the noise off of there really pisses me off. Let's ban trucks.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: No, I get it. I mean, I get it changing.
[00:22:25] Speaker C: That's definitely changing.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I'm, I'm just glad that we are now in the position that we have the funds to try to push the government. I mean, it's pretty wild. We're talking three dudes here sending out in the country and we're willing to go to go to bat with them. I don't care what they say. If we can or can't do it, we are doing it one way or the other. Well, the truth is, if I wouldn't have cared to lose my private pilot's license, I would have kept going. Then I would have sent it to the ntsb. And you know, we were just advised this time, don't send it to the ntsb. See if we can get this resolved. If we can get this resolved and they don't grant you an exemption, then I have a problem. Right?
They're saying yes, they should grant us an exemption if you get this settled. Okay. We should have it settled in six months if we don't.
[00:23:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: Good luck figuring out who the pilot is. But you're gonna see drones flying with trusses and stuff.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: I just figured out that it will not be mike flying. On the record, it will not be mike flying. We're not saying that.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: No, the drone can do it itself. Yeah, Kevin.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: It might be in a different way,
[00:23:37] Speaker A: you know, being an automated mission, picking up that trust. And so I was talking to a crane, Marvin or Marty, and he said that most trusses are only about £120. Bet your bottom dollar that T100, it's going to go swing some trusses. We're going to go swing some trusses. That's a. That's a $40,000 machine up against a $350,000 used crane.
[00:23:59] Speaker C: Yeah. You have one. Yeah.
You have one hydraulic system go out in the crane. Oh, yeah. About as much.
Yeah. Or an engine rebuild.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: We laugh because we don't want to cry. So let's just. Do we want to keep this upbeat or do we want to talk about other frustrating and disappointing news?
[00:24:16] Speaker A: Oh, what do you got?
[00:24:17] Speaker B: The Matrice 5 TD, the Dock 4. I mean, how pissed do we want to get?
[00:24:22] Speaker C: I'll say this.
I'm just glad that we have what
[00:24:25] Speaker A: we have, because what we have is really, really good. It is really, really good to. Until you understand that they have 4K thermal now.
[00:24:33] Speaker C: I know. I seen that.
[00:24:35] Speaker D: Ouch.
[00:24:39] Speaker A: Okay. It is really good.
[00:24:41] Speaker D: It is.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: It's good, guys.
[00:24:43] Speaker C: It's really good. But compared to that, yeah, it's not as bad.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: But that's going to be the normal. That will be the new normal. You will see what China has, and we will not get there.
[00:24:54] Speaker C: They're gonna. They're gonna have to ban these leaker accounts so that we can't see these.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, let's just ban.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: They should ban us from going to China so we don't see it either.
[00:25:03] Speaker D: I'm sure you could facilitate that pretty easy, but
[00:25:08] Speaker A: getting banned from China? Okay, I probably could.
Dude, that 5 TD, it does look pretty cool.
[00:25:15] Speaker C: And their dock also does automatic battery change.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: Yep. Swaps the batteries.
[00:25:19] Speaker C: That's pretty sweet.
[00:25:20] Speaker B: Pretty sweet.
[00:25:20] Speaker C: In 25 seconds.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: 25 seconds.
[00:25:22] Speaker D: 25 seconds.
[00:25:23] Speaker B: The only thing that will serve for is for some American companies to buy them and try to deconstruct how they're made to influence the designs that we get here in three to Five years, I think.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: Okay, but then where are they going to be by that time? That's what I'm saying.
[00:25:41] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: Like, yeah.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Trying to say, like, honestly, I wish I'd be proved wrong on this. Like, I just don't see how you can get there. It's like, try to catch up to Coca Cola. Good freaking luck. Pepsi tried it. They never have. You know what I mean?
At the top, to try to get you off the top.
[00:26:00] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:26:00] Speaker A: Impossible. There will always be little ones that add to it. But kicking somebody off the top, trying to say that we're going to make better drones than dji. I know, I know I shouldn't say that. You always want to think that you can be better. You can do make something better. Yes.
But, gosh, I just don't see it.
[00:26:21] Speaker C: I think we'll definitely be able to make something as good and probably.
Probably better at some point here in the next couple years, but not even close.
We will not be able to afford it. Like, normal people will not afford these things. It will be huge companies.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: But that might be the. The government's whole goal is to have less.
[00:26:42] Speaker C: Less aircraft flying around.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: Yes, Less aircraft. Like, you know, normal humans like us being able to afford.
[00:26:47] Speaker C: Yeah, you won't. It will not be a common thing anymore to have somebody to go buy a drone, to go have a little side gig.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: Mm.
[00:26:54] Speaker C: It's not gonna happen. The drones are gonna be five times as expensive.
[00:27:00] Speaker D: That's.
[00:27:00] Speaker A: Hey, you took this direction, Kevin.
[00:27:02] Speaker D: Interesting theory that. That they're trying to. To clean up airspace.
[00:27:07] Speaker C: I mean, I don't know. That's what it is. The reality is the drones are gonna be so overpriced that normal people will not go buy them?
I think.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: What if in the same way normal people don't buy 350, 000 cranes in
[00:27:18] Speaker C: the same way normal people don't go buy airplanes.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: Mm.
[00:27:21] Speaker D: Right.
[00:27:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:22] Speaker D: So. So what if this is like. So compared to, like, the housing bubble. Right. We're so used to something that, you know, was being made at a deficit or something. Something like that.
Is that what you're saying? Like, the normal.
[00:27:34] Speaker C: You know, the new normal is not going to be an $8,000 thermal drone.
[00:27:38] Speaker D: Right.
[00:27:38] Speaker C: It's going to be a $30,000 thermal drone.
[00:27:41] Speaker D: I was going to say 24. Right. You're resetting to back when the 30T.
[00:27:45] Speaker C: If you look at the payloads that you buy in the US that are actually on the blue list just for a payload is like 12 grand for a cheap one. Yeah.
So I just don't see it. Like, I don't, I don't think normal people will be able to go and afford to buy a good thermal drone anymore. If DJI drones go away.
[00:28:04] Speaker D: How important is it to, to you for buying American in your everyday spending?
[00:28:10] Speaker C: Dude, everything we have is from another country. Yeah, it's our own government's fault. We literally shipped all manufacturing to other countries.
Every single cell phone.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: None of these phones get built here. I'm sorry, to me personally, microphone doesn't get built here. For me personally, I can't say that it's important to buy an American.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: What I like to. Yeah. But I look at this world, this blue globe that we live on as a global market.
Certain people make really good things in certain parts of the country.
That's just it, I think. And the EPA has a huge thing to do with it because we have so many regulations here that we can't smog up the whole.
[00:28:50] Speaker C: And that's, that's why, that's part of the reason why China can get away with this cheap stuff is because they don't have the rules and regulations that they have to follow all the bs. I mean, I would like to buy American, but if it's three times, five times more expensive, I probably won't. Yeah, definitely not. If it's thousands of dollars of difference and it's not.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: What about you product, how do you think about it?
[00:29:08] Speaker D: There's certain things.
So like clothing and stuff like that. But your statement about what's available, that is actually American manufacturing.
There's little. Right. So cameras. Right.
All camera and tech.
Hardly anybody is actually manufacturing sensors, camera, bodies, lenses. It's coming out of Japan, China, wherever that manufacturing is. Right. So I would love to say that, you know, I do my best but
[00:29:39] Speaker A: like can you imagine, like clothing is
[00:29:42] Speaker D: probably the, the only thing that I will, you know, intentionally go and buy something that is American manufactured.
[00:29:50] Speaker C: You think it's actually American manufactured?
[00:29:51] Speaker D: Yeah, there are some, there is some.
[00:29:55] Speaker A: Like you actually think the cotton and thread and everything came from here, like
[00:29:58] Speaker C: all your expensive buckle jeans. Those are China.
[00:30:02] Speaker D: That's high school. But
[00:30:05] Speaker C: like that's a. Yeah, a high dollar. Gene.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:08] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:30:09] Speaker C: You think it's probably good. I mean they are actually good quality. I like them. But they're from China. Yeah, Every, almost every gene is made in China.
[00:30:16] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:30:16] Speaker A: Yeah. So let's take a shirt, a cotton shirt.
[00:30:20] Speaker C: Vietnam.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Well, I'm just saying if it's a hundred percent made in America. So the seed went into the ground in Alabama. It grew up it got harvested, it went to the mill, and then it got spun, and then it got sewed by a guy.
One white cotton shirt. I mean, that's got to be expensive.
[00:30:39] Speaker D: Absolutely, yeah.
[00:30:41] Speaker C: What. What brands are you buying that are actually made here?
[00:30:44] Speaker D: So there. There's a. Some denim that, like, I've only bought, like, one or two pairs.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: Right, yeah. Because you can't afford to buy more.
[00:30:52] Speaker C: Sorry.
[00:30:53] Speaker D: Exactly. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, your. Your statement is. Is very accurate.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: Right?
[00:30:58] Speaker D: Like, what. What is available that is just American manufacturing. Very little.
[00:31:04] Speaker C: Also in the drone space. You cannot buy a better drone here. No, like, you cannot buy a better drone.
You can buy an American drone. It's not as good, but three times more expensive.
[00:31:15] Speaker B: And the way the whole, like, made in America tag or made in Mexico or made in China tag works is where the product experiences transformation, so.
[00:31:23] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:31:24] Speaker B: It could be that the cotton is actually, you know, assembled and that.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Or it could be that cotton is grown in China, it's woven in China, and they bring it over here and they stitch the thing together. Now it's American made. It's exactly like the. The beef that's getting shipped in here. They ship these carcasses over here from Brazil.
[00:31:43] Speaker D: Yep. Brazil, Argentina.
[00:31:44] Speaker C: They redo, they. They cut them, package them. It's American beef, you know.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: You know, those. Those tariffs that Trump had a lot of fun with? I don't know. Was it a year ago?
[00:31:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:31:54] Speaker B: It's so much. When he came into office, man, that was like he had. So he had such a good time with that. We went all the way up to 140%, 145% tariffs that would stack on top of other tariffs. It was. It was a good time to be, you know, in business. One of the ways that the whole world market has kind of redesigned, like, developed from that is now Chinese TV brands are doing as much as they can in China, shipping it to Mexico to a border town with the US and then there they're combining parts that were from China. And if you buy a tv, a lot of brands now say made in Mexico, and it's because they do the minimum amount required to pass the made in Mexico, like, significantly transformed. So when it comes in, you know, it's. It's a product of Mexico, and it does not pay the tariffs, and Mexico does not make China pay tariffs when those components go from China to Mexico.
So I wonder, you know, if that won't be the case also for some drone companies. Where. Well, I mean, it's the case for
[00:32:54] Speaker C: everything that's the case with most drone companies that say they're American made right now is they're bringing Chinese parts here or Japanese parts here and assembling it here. Yep.
[00:33:03] Speaker A: We got a lot of nice encouraging emails, phone calls, DMS from people saying stuff like, appreciate it. Keep pushing forward.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: Like, yeah, yeah, I have the top 10 questions here.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: Top 10.
[00:33:18] Speaker B: Do you want to do a lightning round and just go through them?
[00:33:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:20] Speaker B: Anyway, how can Amazon and Walmart fly heavy drones over people when you can't fly them?
[00:33:25] Speaker A: Those drones are only carrying usually packages between five and ten pounds, so they're not considered like the heavy lift, like
[00:33:33] Speaker C: what we're flying, but they are heavy. The drone themselves.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: Yeah, the drones are heavy. Yeah. But the FA looks at it based on the payload that's in the drone.
[00:33:42] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:33:42] Speaker C: I would say those companies are a lot larger than what we are and they have a lot bigger pockets than what we do.
[00:33:47] Speaker A: And also the reason that they. Teams of attorneys, but the reason that they have those, they have very specific flight routes, very specific flights.
[00:33:55] Speaker C: Automated.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: Yep. So the FAA put that in a smaller box, is like, okay, if something catastrophic is going to happen, it's going to be right here where the reason they haven't given us something is we might be in Tennessee one day and we might be in Oregon the next, like flying who knows what. And so it's like, oh, I don't know what to do. Yeah, it's broader and we might be picking something up today that weighs 75 pounds and something that weighs 190 tomorrow. There's no consistency there. And so that's where the FAA freaks out.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: Which certificate actually covers heavy lift part 133, 135, 137, 487.
Or experimental.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So you need a 44807, which is, is an exemption that is granted to you. But we don't know. Like, our attorneys don't know, the FAA doesn't know, and us three personally don't know.
Right. Do we need a 91 just to move our own deer around? We probably do need a 135 if we move somebody else's deer around. But then maybe we'd need a 133 because that's external. So do, do we need two. Do we need 135 plus 133.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: And there's no way that you can go jump straight into a 135 because they're never going to grant that for commercial until they've granted one for a personal.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's A whole different level.
Yeah, that's. That's a valid point is like they want a lot of data of safety prior to granting a 135. So we've been trying to get an Experimental 1 under 91 for a while and have not yet gotten in.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: Why isn't deer, hog or tree work or other kinds of things agricultural?
[00:35:38] Speaker A: Well, I think it is agricultural, but it's not ag in the definition of the regulatory compliance. It's not in that definition.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: So why did the. Maybe the questions is actually why does the faa, how they define agriculture include other things that are actually agriculture?
[00:35:57] Speaker A: Well, you have to read the definition just like.
[00:36:00] Speaker B: But why did the FAA make the definition. They did, I think to be so focused on liquid poison. Yeah. And dispensing like.
[00:36:08] Speaker A: Well, I, I think they were looking at it specifically for airplanes and helicopters back in the day when they were spraying corn and beans and cotton and all these things is. Okay, this liquid doesn't fit under the 135 of a charter operation because you're dispensing it and getting rid of it. Where a 135 is actually carry the product to an airport and drop it off. So that's a 135. That wouldn't be a 137 because you carried it there and dropped it off. So they probably made their own rules. Okay, we know that these fields have to get sprayed. Let's create this new 137. And they never thought about drones coming along and, you know, picking things up and moving them. And so 135 didn't. Doesn't make sense for the drones technically. But 137 they're also saying doesn't make sense because that's to dispense poisons.
[00:37:00] Speaker C: There is just no part for drones.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: No have left. No.
[00:37:04] Speaker B: 194people asked, why couldn't you record?
Why did the FAA never got an answer.
[00:37:11] Speaker A: Never got an answer from Timothy Jensen on why I couldn't record. So when that meeting got cut short, he just said he had to go back and get further, seek further counsel to know if I could record or not. Like, no. I mean he clearly knew I'm going to be recording. That's what we do. And it was literally never.
Nothing was ever mentioned ever from that meeting on if we are or aren't, we could have been. And they wouldn't even asked because they. I think we were allowed.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: And we're not allowed to ask you not to record.
Is that.
[00:37:46] Speaker A: Well, yeah. In the state of Ohio is a One party consent state.
[00:37:49] Speaker B: Well, and anytime you deal with law enforcement or something like that, that's. It's protected. Not just in the state of Ohio, but federally, it's protected.
[00:37:56] Speaker C: I think he just didn't really want to be on video. He definitely did not want to be on video because I don't think he really knew why.
[00:38:04] Speaker A: There's no doubt that we probably put a target on us now, though. Like, those people are going to want to do whatever they can to us to hurt us. I would imagine, Mr. Jensen and. And that other Tim guy as well. You know, when we had that inspection, we thought, we're all good. They made it sound like, oh, yeah, guys, you can just change a couple things, but you're doing really good. But then, then they sent us a sort of like a letter stating these are the things you're doing wrong and fix it and tell me how you're
[00:38:31] Speaker C: going to fix it. 30 days?
[00:38:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, yeah, I don't know that we want to try.
[00:38:37] Speaker C: That's routine.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: Supposedly that's routine.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: Anyhow, why do they go after your private pilot certificate and not the drone authorization?
[00:38:45] Speaker A: Okay, so this is why it doesn't make sense. They haven't granted us a 91 exemption. Okay?
They went after my pilot's license because they said I was operating as a 91 operation because that's what it would take to fly a drone.
To do those things is a part 61, which when you have a license, it's called a 61. But a 91 is what the rules are. So they went after my pilot's license, which would then mean the FA should grant us a 91 to be exempt from some of those rules. You know what I mean? If they went after my license, that license, we shouldn't have to get a 135. A 135 should be something you get if I want to go get Landon's, you know, cargo down in Sugar Creek and bring it up here. But if I want to go get my own cargo down in Sugar Creek and bring it up here, then, no, I did not need a 135.
[00:39:45] Speaker B: Am I remembering something wrong? There's something in the back of my head that says on one of those first notices we got from the faa, one of the multiple things that they tagged you with that you were doing incorrectly is that while you were flying the drone, in their opinion, as a part 91, because it did not fit under your part 137, the infraction was you did not have your private Pilot's license with you in the cabin of that aircraft?
[00:40:11] Speaker A: No, it was the registration of the aircraft.
[00:40:15] Speaker B: You did not have that with you
[00:40:16] Speaker A: in the, in the aircraft. In the, in the aircraft.
[00:40:19] Speaker B: In the part 91 aircraft that you were flying was the T100 or T50 or whatever.
[00:40:23] Speaker A: So in a normal airplane, there's a little slot that your aircraft registration is always in, and that's inside the cockpit. But they're saying, well, you didn't have that inside the cockpit of the T100. It's like, well, yeah, there's no cockpit there.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: Yeah, okay, that's good.
[00:40:42] Speaker D: All right.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: Helicopters lift loads every day. Why not drones?
[00:40:45] Speaker A: Good question. There's a, there's a job that I don't know if he's ever done it. Then in Arizona, there's this copper mine, and they use this Bell helicopter. Bell helicopter is probably, I'm going to guess, 2 million bucks.
Operates on jet fuel, pulling these light irrigation lines up the mountainside. That's all it does is pull these up the mountainside. And a guy called me about using a T100. I was like, I think that'd be a great idea. Why not use a drone and hoist these things up? Yeah, the helicopter can do it, but the drone can't.
[00:41:18] Speaker C: How's this talking? Probably, let's see, 10 gallons. Let's say 300 bucks.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no. Oh, Jay, that thing is burning anywhere from 70 to 100 gallons an hour.
[00:41:29] Speaker C: I'm saying the drone. You're just paying for the, for the gas and the generator. Charge your batteries just like what, 200?
[00:41:35] Speaker A: Not even 200 bucks.
[00:41:36] Speaker C: 10 gallons of 3 bucks. 30 bucks.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:39] Speaker C: For a 10 hour operation.
[00:41:40] Speaker B: For 10 hour operation.
[00:41:41] Speaker A: $30.
That's what it costs you to run. That's just for real, like, versus a helicopter. That's how much?
[00:41:47] Speaker C: Hundreds of dollars.
[00:41:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I'm guessing a Bell helicopter jet. You know, fuel burn. Gosh, let's just look it up.
[00:41:55] Speaker C: It's got to be.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: How much fuel does a Bell helicopter burn while hovering? This is going to be a vague.
[00:42:02] Speaker B: And this is without the insurance, the pilot, like, yeah, all of that stuff, which is.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: Okay, so we just figured normal. That's actually not that bad. That bad. Bell Jet Ranger, 25 gallons per hour. And right now it's seven bucks. So seven times.
So $175 an hour.
[00:42:20] Speaker C: That's what it just is burning in gas.
[00:42:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Per hour. That, that's a normal cruise speed. So in eight hours you're doing 1400
[00:42:28] Speaker C: worth of your $30 versus 30 bucks, $50 at most.
[00:42:32] Speaker B: Okay, what does this video is part of the deal mean?
[00:42:36] Speaker A: Part of the deal means is so originally the first PSA video that I released that was actually in the second video, which is the one that got hundreds of thousands of views. After talking to the attorney, she was saying maybe we split it apart because I'm kind of giving my opinion on what I think it should be in the regulations. And including the PSA at the end would have been like, this whole thing is contradicting. Like, she didn't want the FAA to be like, okay, well, he said all these things. Then he made the public safety announcement. So what about, let's just make the public safety announcement. Because that's all they said I have to do is make the public safety announcement, which I just read the script, exactly what they wrote, and then let's publish the. The longer video.
[00:43:25] Speaker B: Funniest comment on that first.
[00:43:27] Speaker C: So part of the deal. The video. The public safety announcement was part of the deal along with the.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: Not the second one. I just said, because when me and Landon were shooting it, I knew that the public safety announcement is going to be in this video at the end when I'm going to read it. So that's why I said, you know, this video is part of the deal, because I didn't know at that time that we're going to cut that last portion out and publish it first. And I tried to edit it without, like, taking this.
This is part of the deal, and just publish the video, but it didn't make sense because I didn't say enough to make it cut to where it flowed. So we had to put it back in. Yep. So it was part of the deal, meaning it wasn't actually like, the. Really one that went viral wasn't part of the deal. It was only the PSA was part of the deal.
[00:44:19] Speaker C: But is the question like, what was the deal?
[00:44:22] Speaker B: No, it's like, what. What do you mean when you say this video is part of the deal?
[00:44:25] Speaker A: The part of the deal was basically, I told the faa, I'll do a deal with you. I will publish a video on my YouTube channel telling people about safety if you only take my remote pilot's license for 180 days instead of my private pilot's license. So that was the deal. It was saying, take only my remote pilot's license. And in doing so, if you do that, then I will post a video
[00:44:51] Speaker B: on my YouTube channel, because at the same time, the FAA refuses to be recorded in an educational conversation. They really Their goal is to help create education for people, and they value you reading that off to educate our followers. So that, that's.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: I'm so glad we went that route though, that we got that, because after thinking about it, I was like, oh, yeah, the long video is going to get way more views. The, the short one. Nobody's going to watch the short one. Who gives a rip about regulations? I want to hear why they take it. Took his license.
So cutting that out. Getting 25, 000 views on the PSA versus getting. What is it like 300, 000 on the other one?
[00:45:29] Speaker D: We're at that about right now.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Last question. And then if you have any funny ones landing.
[00:45:34] Speaker D: Well, there's plenty of funny ones, but
[00:45:35] Speaker A: I. Oh, yeah, you have funny ones.
[00:45:36] Speaker D: Well, I, I think they're funny.
[00:45:38] Speaker B: The, the question is, how can viewers.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, 301.5 thousand right now. Charlie Booker, he called me.
[00:45:44] Speaker C: He.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: He's a guy in the industry.
He had really good encouraging words. He wanted to know if there's like a GoFundMe or something that, you know, the spray drone people can invest and we can keep pushing the industry forward. By right now, it's costing us money. It's costing new way. I think we're 35 to $40,000 in just this particular type of case that we're in. Right. We probably spend 100,000 on attorneys already. But like he was saying maybe people would give for us to keep pushing. And I'm like, charlie, I don't need their money, like. But he said, people also want to help.
And I was like, well, it's a good point, but, you know, where their money should go is to help other people that are being pioneers and pushing forward in the space. Because there might be people that don't have the funds like we do to fund themselves to push forward, but they do want to push forward. They're just scared because they don't have the dollars.
They would be one of those guys that pushes it. They just don't have the funds.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: Yep. And we might, you know.
[00:46:55] Speaker C: Right.
[00:46:55] Speaker B: In six months, part one away, where's that going to be at? You know, where's the industry going to be at? Like, what needs to keep being pushed? And maybe we're at a better place, but our stance is, I think we're going to always continue pushing and there might be something in the future where we're going to need more than just what we can support.
[00:47:14] Speaker A: The only thing that sucks about pushing now for me personally, is second violation right first violation is one thing. Second violation is something else. But I still think it's worth it. I am going to try to meet with those congressmen and tell them my story. I think because the video got that many views is going to be good for us. We can share that with them.
[00:47:37] Speaker B: So they definitely hit a chord, like,
[00:47:39] Speaker A: so they understand that we're not just some, you know, schmuck out there trying to get them to allow us to do this. No, this is a bigger picture. This is a. An industry thing in the states that could be a big deal. And maybe they'll be like, okay, faa, back off. Like, we're going to do this heavy lift thing. But then that dude that dropped that deer, that was wild as all get out.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: The dude that dropped a deer.
[00:48:03] Speaker A: Oh, my God, that T100 just shot off.
[00:48:05] Speaker D: Did you. Did anybody save it? Because I think it got taken down.
[00:48:09] Speaker C: It definitely got taken down by multiple accounts, but yeah.
[00:48:12] Speaker A: Is it on that tine Outfitters?
[00:48:14] Speaker C: I think Ben.
[00:48:14] Speaker D: Ben looked at it this morning, and
[00:48:17] Speaker A: outfitters took it down. I called him. I believe he took it down because I called Tyne Outfitters. It wasn't him. It was his farmer. So his farmer, that where he hunts. He hunts on some of his land.
[00:48:29] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: And he has T100 for spraying. And so he's the outfitter. And he.
Like, they were. Okay, let's give context, because some people that are listening. There was a video that was going around. It got published the same day as the suspension video, and it was going mega viral. It was gaining 100,000 views probably every 10 hours or more. There's this guy with a T100 picking up a whitetail buck in Oklahoma. And the drone was, I'd say, 50ft up, 50ft, and you can hear it. And it just. 100% power loss. Just like props spinning and free falls. Boom. Right on his truck. The truck smashing on the truck just made it better. That's why the video went crazy, because it was funny. It was like, holy smokes. Like, had to land on the truck.
[00:49:17] Speaker C: I mean, smash right on top of the cab.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
He was trying to put the deer
[00:49:22] Speaker C: in the back of the truck.
[00:49:22] Speaker A: Is that what he was doing?
[00:49:23] Speaker C: That's what it looked like.
[00:49:24] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:49:24] Speaker C: Because the pilot stood, you know, 20, 30ft away.
[00:49:27] Speaker A: They didn't even gut the deer. That was a baby.
[00:49:29] Speaker C: That was a. That was a heavy load, though.
[00:49:31] Speaker A: Oh, it was a heavy load.
[00:49:32] Speaker C: Like, I. I wonder what exactly happened, but I bet you batteries overheated.
[00:49:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I would have a dual battery system. On it, I would agree with that.
[00:49:40] Speaker D: It was a 100.
[00:49:41] Speaker C: You said it's either fly car.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a T100. It was T100 with a list system.
[00:49:45] Speaker B: If the batteries overheated, there were all kinds of warnings.
[00:49:49] Speaker A: And I thought not one. His. See what happens is the ESCs get hot.
But DJI did not have that safety set up in the.
In the. In the SCS yet that it would give you a warning.
[00:50:03] Speaker C: It may. Yeah. He might not have been running on the latest software either.
[00:50:07] Speaker D: Right. So if he wasn't watching his temperatures.
[00:50:10] Speaker C: Well, so the one we crashed earlier this summer.
[00:50:13] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:50:14] Speaker C: When it was out the spring, it was like one second or two seconds.
[00:50:18] Speaker D: Right.
[00:50:18] Speaker C: It gave us an error and it flipped.
[00:50:20] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:50:21] Speaker C: Like. Like that.
[00:50:22] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:50:22] Speaker C: You had no time to do anything. And that was because the ESC overheated,
[00:50:26] Speaker A: you know, because it was too heavy.
[00:50:27] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:50:28] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:50:28] Speaker D: And the battery system putting out too much power.
[00:50:30] Speaker A: Too much power?
[00:50:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Too much.
[00:50:32] Speaker A: No, there's no doubt. That is what happened. But I don't think that the ESC shut off because all power was lost to the.
All motors. Because if you hear it, it goes like. It didn't try to spin any of the propellers. So I wonder if it was a. You know, the main motherboard, the distribution maybe melted that maybe. But there is no doubt it was a heavy load. We don't know how long he was in the air. I asked him. So I called the. The outfitter guy and he said we just got the batteries off the charger. But that guy also doesn't know what's just got him off the charger 3 minutes ago when they went down to the holler and picked up the deer and came back. So I don't know.
[00:51:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't. I just seen a clip of the video this morning. This?
[00:51:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, is that it? So it's still up.
[00:51:24] Speaker C: Then Ben screen recorded it and saved it. Okay. So he has a copy of it, but I don't know.
[00:51:29] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:51:29] Speaker C: Okay. I don't know where he got it from. He did tell me that the link that he had seen it earlier was gone.
[00:51:35] Speaker D: Yes. When he tried to show us, the link was gone. And I told him he needs to screen record it in order to actually have a. A local copy. If he finds it again.
[00:51:45] Speaker C: Yep. Yeah. He hasn't, huh? Yeah.
[00:51:48] Speaker A: It's gonna be almost impossible because that went so viral. There's somebody that shared and recorded it.
[00:51:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. It's gonna stay in trouble.
[00:51:57] Speaker A: You think so?
[00:51:57] Speaker C: I think so.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: Nah, they're just gonna say, are you aware you can't do that because he's not like a YouTuber. They're not going to try to make an example out of a guy like that.
[00:52:07] Speaker D: Maybe, maybe I'll check his income, then decide, is this worth it?
Maybe.
[00:52:17] Speaker A: No, I don't know.
I could be wrong. I just think that they did this to us because we do content visibility.
[00:52:24] Speaker C: Yeah, that's definitely a big reason why.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, sorry. I think I feel like we got sidetracked.
[00:52:28] Speaker D: Kevin, do you have any more?
[00:52:30] Speaker B: I don't have any more.
[00:52:31] Speaker A: I feel like I was going somewhere with this.
[00:52:33] Speaker C: With the deer?
[00:52:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:35] Speaker D: With this conversation, I'm surprised nothing came up about.
Well, a common. A common comment was, we're from the government and we're here to help.
[00:52:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is not good when you hear those words.
Yeah, right.
[00:52:49] Speaker D: And another one was, we're not happy till you're unhappy.
That. That came up many times.
[00:52:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. A trend, you know, something that didn't come up that I thought people would ask is how are we going to do deer recoveries? That's what the attorney wanted me to put in there as well, so I don't have to explain myself on drone deer recovery. Wait, Mike, how are you flying these, you know, thermal drones? And we're going to be operating them under 107.12 a2. That's how we're going to be doing it.
[00:53:23] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:53:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Anyhow, explain what that is. That is you can manipulate the flight controls of a drone as long as there is a licensed remote control pilot next to you or something like that.
[00:53:35] Speaker C: But that other licensed pilot cannot be flying a drone at the same time.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: I know, but then I thought about. What about our exemption? Our exemption says that you can fly multiple drones.
[00:53:45] Speaker C: I don't know if that applies.
[00:53:47] Speaker A: I don't know, but we should find out. It says that you can fly up to three of them.
[00:53:51] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:53:51] Speaker A: In that exemption, does it have to be an agricultural drone? I don't know, because it just says that it can be up to three UAs at one time. And why can't we be doing agricultural work at that time?
[00:54:02] Speaker B: You've been doing agricultural?
[00:54:04] Speaker A: Yeah, we're cross scouting. We're looking to see, you know, where are these compost piles out in the friggin woods? We're trying to find them.
[00:54:11] Speaker B: Agricultural work with an enterprise drone? Is that a thing?
[00:54:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it is now, sure.
[00:54:16] Speaker D: Yeah, you got to scan it.
[00:54:17] Speaker B: We just made it.
[00:54:18] Speaker A: But you know what I'm saying, like it says right there that as long as you're operating under that 44807, you can fly up to three UAs.
[00:54:26] Speaker C: Yeah. We should ask.
[00:54:27] Speaker B: Okay, so if you are, dude, making a boundary M plus mode, but not spraying with an over 55 pound drone, is that fall within your 44807?
[00:54:35] Speaker A: Yeah, because you can fly it and to. To train and stuff.
[00:54:40] Speaker C: When you're in M plus mode, you're
[00:54:41] Speaker A: actually spraying M plus, but you can also drop boundaries, boundary points and not be spraying.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: Jason. It's like, Kevin, you haven't flown a drone in.
[00:54:51] Speaker A: Yeah, you should actually.
[00:54:52] Speaker C: Forever.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:55] Speaker C: Would be good.
[00:54:55] Speaker B: Actually. I had a friend reach out and say, he started. He built some new airbnbs and said, would you want to take photos? Do you have a drone that can take good photos? And I thought, you know how long it's been since I've flown a drone? It's been a long time. How long?
[00:55:08] Speaker D: How long has that been?
[00:55:09] Speaker C: Yeah, you.
[00:55:10] Speaker A: You have to move that thing up for.
[00:55:11] Speaker B: I feel like it's been over a year.
[00:55:13] Speaker D: Over a year for you?
[00:55:14] Speaker C: Over a year.
[00:55:15] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:55:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:16] Speaker C: I used to fly that little Mini all the time.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: Oh, I used to love that Mini. And have you? Yeah, the Mini 4, the Mini 5. They're probably even a lot better.
[00:55:24] Speaker C: I'm sure. I'm sure.
[00:55:26] Speaker A: Yeah. That's all I got. I. I thought we'd probably clean it up on some of these questions that people had on, well, why can't you do it? Or how can you do it? And the truth is, you can't freaking do it. People are doing it. And unless you have a special exemption from the faa, you can't do it. Some of you guys. Yeah, you guys that give us crap. You're definitely not listening to this, but they were saying stuff like I was doing that to sell fly carts, like fly cart 100 or fly cart 30.
The truth is, we did not try to sell fly cards. We didn't because we already knew what situation we were in. And we would be completely honest with people trying to get an exemption to fly this drone to do whatever work you're wanting to do is not going to work. So we sold very little. I would say maybe a handful.
[00:56:22] Speaker C: Maybe definitely less than 10. Yeah.
[00:56:24] Speaker A: But hey, if you need one, we have them in stock, so.
Yeah.
[00:56:29] Speaker B: And if you don't have a YouTube channel, then.
Well, I'm just saying, if you have a YouTube channel, probably don't buy one.
[00:56:36] Speaker A: Oh, right.
[00:56:36] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:56:37] Speaker B: If you don't have a YouTube channel, then officially probably still don't buy one. But if you want one, then we do sell.
[00:56:42] Speaker C: But there is a couple guys doing heavy lift stuff. We just don't know how well.
[00:56:47] Speaker B: And I know, like, probably all experimental. There's a lot of experimental stuff.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: Yeah, a lot of experiments.
[00:56:52] Speaker B: We had one, you know, at least two cases. I know now where somebody reached out to me and they wanted to fight cart 30 because they got the perfect beautiful thing from the FAA that let them operate the fly cart 30. But in the last year, whatever, the fly cart 100 has been out. They can't get the same thing for the fly cart 100.
Guy from New York called me.
[00:57:10] Speaker C: That makes no sense.
[00:57:11] Speaker B: We don't have a fly cart 30 anymore. So.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: No.
[00:57:14] Speaker B: And a fly cart 100 for him wasn't going to work because his.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: Yeah, he can't make it work. He can't make it work with his exemption. I think Rupert got him that thing. Alrighty. That's all I got nothing else.
[00:57:26] Speaker D: You think we dove into it enough?
[00:57:28] Speaker A: Probably not.
[00:57:29] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:57:29] Speaker A: I feel like I have to sit down and just try to explain it.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: I thought that video did a really good job of condensing two years.
[00:57:36] Speaker C: It did.
[00:57:37] Speaker B: Of timeline in 20 minutes.
[00:57:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it felt good. Like it flowed. Well, I feel like my brain has been thinking about shooting that video for months already, like as it was leading up to striking the deal with the faa and what am I going to say? And.
[00:57:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And, you know, if there's. If there's anything that. Like one of my takeaways from this whole thing is when we can provide actual educational, interesting content about moving the industry forward and what's happening in the industry. It doesn't have to be always like the most exciting thing, but there is, I mean, 300,000 people and 1500 comments that. People who care about the industry. And I'm excited about making more content for those people because, like, they're the people that will actually be the first adopters of lifting things onto the roof or acs. You know, all of that stuff.
[00:58:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Well, just think about the cool stuff we're going to be able to show once we have our exemption. Like. Like, even if it's a 91. Right. Even if it's just a 91.
[00:58:36] Speaker B: Like, let.
[00:58:37] Speaker A: Let us start logging some time and getting this safety thing figured out on my dollar. Right. I'm going to be doing all of this on my dollar and then we move it on to here's a business. Oh, yeah.
[00:58:50] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:58:50] Speaker A: Yeah, there's gonna be work because when I was talking to the crane operator, he said 120 pounds is what most of their trusses are.
[00:58:59] Speaker B: Is there.
[00:59:00] Speaker A: We have to do that.
We have to go do that.
[00:59:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:59:04] Speaker B: Is there anything with part 108 that you want to talk about or do we know anything?
[00:59:10] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't. I don't know more about it.
[00:59:12] Speaker C: Back to this trust situation. Dude, you know how much time you're gonna save? You throw a T100 in the back of a pickup truck.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:59:18] Speaker C: Take that sucker out there. You don't have to worry about setup.
[00:59:21] Speaker A: No.
[00:59:21] Speaker C: About how level it is about mud.
Set that thing up, Go grab a truss, and you're over there.
[00:59:29] Speaker A: That's why I'm saying, like, we don't realize then that crane company is making a lot of money with huge equipment.
[00:59:37] Speaker C: Well, you know what?
[00:59:38] Speaker A: Now you're gonna have four pickup trucks. Pickup trucks with a DJI generator or the new diesel generator. You throw that thing on a. On a one ton. It's nice, but super expensive. This could be good.
[00:59:51] Speaker C: This could bring the housing prices down.
Those companies always pass on savings.
[00:59:59] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly.
[01:00:01] Speaker C: Good one. Shareholders, they charge. What is 100? Probably 120 bucks an hour.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: No, no, no. I think it's up to 170 now, actually. It was 150 when we were using them.
[01:00:09] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:00:09] Speaker A: Yeah, so it's probably 170 an hour right now. There's no doubt you could do that with a drone.
[01:00:14] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: Let's swing from trusses and just see how it goes.
[01:00:18] Speaker D: Yeah, with the fly cart. 200.
[01:00:21] Speaker A: Oh, the 200 would have been.
[01:00:23] Speaker D: I saw video and.
[01:00:25] Speaker B: You know, way to end the episode on it.
[01:00:27] Speaker D: Sorry. I'm sorry.
[01:00:29] Speaker C: Just had to bring it up.
Maybe we can go to Canada and do it. Yeah.
[01:00:34] Speaker D: Yeah, why not?
[01:00:35] Speaker A: No, we.
[01:00:36] Speaker D: Why not?
[01:00:36] Speaker C: Let's go.
[01:00:37] Speaker A: But look at just that for trusses. Yeah, like that's gonna be a thing.
[01:00:41] Speaker C: Trusses, Air conditioners on big buildings.
[01:00:43] Speaker A: Nope.
[01:00:44] Speaker C: Can you imagine if there's a. You had to put an air conditioner up on a 200 foot building that's 200ft tall. You have to get one big crane out there.
[01:00:52] Speaker D: Yep.
[01:00:53] Speaker C: Just use a drone.
[01:00:55] Speaker A: All right, guys, we'll try to keep you updated as much as we can. If we actually do get an exemption. Charlie told me you'll probably get your license back before you get an exemption, which is true. So that won't make me happy, but that's it.
[01:01:08] Speaker D: So I'm just thinking about. We got passports, so we can go somewhere and
[01:01:14] Speaker A: what are we going to do. Just show them this cool stuff that we can't do here.
[01:01:19] Speaker C: What's the point if nobody can do it here?
[01:01:21] Speaker D: Because we like going and doing cool stuff.
[01:01:23] Speaker A: Yeah. That costs us dollars.
[01:01:25] Speaker C: We have free.
[01:01:26] Speaker D: Well, I mean, we could start like an Australia branch or something like that.
[01:01:33] Speaker C: He'd probably love to run that.
[01:01:34] Speaker A: Dude, we got some good. We got good support from Australia.
[01:01:37] Speaker D: Yeah, I've seen. I seen quite a few.
[01:01:39] Speaker A: Jamie. Jamie sent me in Australia. He got his approval. He can now lift people with his drone. No way. Jamie, the Aussie guy that we talked legally lift people?
[01:01:51] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:01:52] Speaker C: That's kind of crazy.
[01:01:53] Speaker D: That's cool. I was just watching some of his
[01:01:54] Speaker A: content the other day, so he sent me their whole list of their FAA thing so we can send it to our FAA to see if it'll help.
So we'll send that to the attorney and see.
[01:02:06] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:02:07] Speaker A: We could go to Australia.
[01:02:08] Speaker D: I volunteer.
[01:02:09] Speaker A: I don't know it's gonna be.
[01:02:11] Speaker C: If we do things like that. Maybe we will.
[01:02:12] Speaker A: There is no doubt that we are behind the eight ball here in the States. And we will stay behind it for many years.
[01:02:19] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:02:20] Speaker A: Until we get caught up.
[01:02:21] Speaker C: Too many regulations.
[01:02:23] Speaker A: Yeah. We're scared of this foreign drone coming in and spying on us.
[01:02:29] Speaker C: That TV is probably watching us right now.
[01:02:32] Speaker D: It probably is this drone.
[01:02:37] Speaker C: And all these microphones. We know these. Listen to us.
You say something about a vacuum, and the next ad you see is a freaking vacuum.
[01:02:47] Speaker A: That's it.
[01:02:47] Speaker D: That's it. I'm done.
